Inside Matters

The gut health show – conversations with the most forward-thinking minds in health, fitness, science, nutrition and business. In-depth discussions about how our gut microbiome impacts our health, well-being, mood and more.

Inside Matters was conceived by microbiome expert Dr James McIlroy as a platform to raise awareness of the importance of the gut microbiome. Our aim is to inspire and educate listeners around the world about the importance of gut health, equipping them with the knowledge they need to transform their lives for the better.

Produced by the Podcast Studio Glasgow.

Episodes

Mar 27, 2025

1hr 1 min

In a fascinating conversation with Professor Max Nieuwdorp of the Amsterdam Medical Centre, Dr James McIlroy explores groundbreaking ideas and research surrounding the microbiome, hormones, and their profound impact on metabolic diseases. This insightful dialogue uncovers the remarkable potential of faecal microbiota transplant (FMT) and emerging pharmaceutical strategies in tackling obesity, diabetes, and even cancer.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Professor Max and the Podcast
02:04 Max's Journey into Microbiome Research
05:06 The Power of Fecal Microbiota Transplantation (FMT)
08:11 Microbiome's Role in Obesity and Metabolic Health
10:42 Challenges and Future Directions in Microbiome Research
14:47 Defining Obesity and Its Genetic Factors
18:39 FMT and Its Impact on Various Diseases
23:48 Optimal Diet for a Healthy Microbiome
31:07 The Power of Combining Probiotics
31:36 The GLP-1 Story: A Deep Dive
32:30 Mechanisms and Effects of GLP-1 Drugs
37:26 The Role of Microbiome in Weight Management
39:18 Selecting the Best Donor for FMT
42:27 Impact of Diet on Microbiome and Health
50:17 Future of Microbiome Research and Therapies
56:13 The Power of Hormones: Book Insights
 
The Journey into Microbiome Research
Professor Nieuwdorp's interest in the microbiome began serendipitously during his postdoctoral studies at UCSD. There, he encountered revolutionary ideas, particularly through the work of Jeffrey Gordon, which highlighted the significance of the microbiome long before it became widely acknowledged. An unforgettable early success with FMT on a patient with Clostridium difficile infection set the foundation for his enduring commitment to this field. Over the years, Nieuwdorp has been involved in pivotal studies, evolving his understanding of how microbiome therapies could be used in metabolic diseases and beyond.
Understanding FMT and Its Role
FMT has shown remarkable efficacy, especially in treating infections like Clostridium difficile. The discussion highlights an astounding 90% cure rate demonstrated in early trials, a feat Nieuwdorp describes as "seminal". Nonetheless, expanding this success to metabolic conditions such as obesity and autoimmune diseases remains a promising, yet ongoing, challenge.
The Nexus Between Microbiome and Obesity
While the connection between the microbiome and obesity remains a complex issue, Nieuwdorp emphasises how the microbiome's role in weight control is likely more significant over the long term—akin to directing an oil tanker—than as a quick fix. The conversation delves into why the body finds it easier to gain weight than to lose it, considering genetic predispositions and evolutionary pressures. This adaptability of the microbiome, combined with dietary habits, may significantly influence how our bodies metabolise and store energy.
Revolutionary Treatments on the Horizon
Emerging pharmacological treatments such as GLP-1 agonists are causing waves in medicine. These drugs, alongside the potential of next-generation probiotics, promise to reshape how obesity and associated conditions are treated. Intriguingly, research continues to suggest the microbiome might itself produce GLP-1, hinting at a future where therapies target these microbial mechanisms directly.
The Path Forward: Microbiome as a Predictive Tool
Professor Nieuwdorp envisions a future where microbiome profiling becomes a standard diagnostic and preventative tool. It has the potential to predict disease susceptibility, allowing for earlier and more personalised interventions. In parallel, the continued development of FMT and its derivatives may revolutionise treatments for a range of conditions, from cancer to metabolic disorders.
The Educational Perspective: "The Power of Hormones"
In addition to his pioneering research, Nieuwdorp shares insights in his book, The Power of Hormones, presenting a layperson’s guide to understanding hormones across a lifespan. This book interweaves historical narratives with scientific discussion to elucidate how hormones and the microbiome intersect in influencing daily life.
This extensive dialogue with Professor Nieuwdorp is a testament to the potential of microbiome science and the exciting horizon that awaits both researchers and patients. As innovations continue, integrating microbiome knowledge with traditional medical interventions could profoundly change how we understand and treat human health.

Feb 20, 2025

1hr 15 min

Exploring the Human Microbiome with Dr. Joël Doré: The Future of Gut Health Science
In this episode of Inside Matters, Dr James McIlroy engages in an enlightening conversation with Dr. Joël Doré, Research Director at the French National Research Institute for Agriculture, Food and Environment (NRAE). With over 40 years of experience in microbiome research, Dr. Doré shares his extensive knowledge on probiotics, gut health protocols, at-home microbiome testing, and the gut-brain axis. The discussion delves into the intricacies of the human microbiome symbiosis, the evolutionary development of gut microbiota, and its impact on health conditions such as obesity and chronic diseases. Dr. Doré also sheds light on innovative treatments like faecal microbiota transfer and the significance of microbial diversity for a healthy gut. Tune in to discover how the future of medicine and nutrition hinges on understanding and leveraging the microbial human.
Takeaways
The human body consists of roughly 50 trillion bacteria and 50 trillion human cells.
Gut microbiota aids in digestion and protects against harmful bacteria.
Microbiota educates the immune system, keeping it ready to react.
The microbiome develops from birth, influenced by diet and birth method.
C-section births can delay microbiota diversification and increase the risk of chronic conditions.
Diversity in the microbiome is crucial for health and chronic disease prevention.
At-home microbiome testing lacks standardization and medical utility.
Low microbiome richness is linked to higher chronic disease risks.
Microbiome diversity can predict responses to obesity treatments.
Acrimantium may play a role in health, but microbial ecosystem diversity is crucial.
Fecal microbiota transfer can significantly aid cancer treatment.
Probiotics may not establish long-term but can still be effective during gut transit.
The 100,000 Microbiome Project aims to explore gut health across all ages.
Gut permeability issues can lead to neuroinflammation and mental health challenges.
Future medicine will focus on the microbial aspects of human health.
Chronic conditions are increasingly linked to microbiome health.
Dietary choices profoundly impact gut microbiota diversity.
Research is ongoing to better understand the gut-brain connection.
Preventive nutrition should consider microbial health as a key factor.
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Joël Doré and Microbiome Research00:32 Exploring Probiotics and Gut Health Protocols00:49 At-Home Microbiome Testing: Strengths and Limitations01:38 Understanding the Human Microbiome Symbiosis02:48 The Role of Gut Microbiota in Health and Disease08:18 Microbiome Development from Birth11:08 Impact of Birth Methods and Early Life on Microbiome12:00 Antibiotics and Microbiome Diversity17:48 Challenges in Defining a Healthy Microbiome24:38 At-Home Microbiome Testing: Current State and Future Directions32:51 Microbiome and Obesity: Insights from Research34:21 Microbiome and Immunotherapy: Potential and Challenges39:02 Prognostic Model and Microbiota Transfer40:21 Mad Pharma: Pioneering Fecal Microbiota Transfer41:50 Autologous and Allogenic Microbiota Transfer43:53 Challenges and Innovations in Microbiota Transfer51:25 Probiotics: Do They Work?01:01:50 The Best Diet for the Microbiome01:03:00 The 100,000 Microbiome Project01:08:13 The Gut-Brain Connection01:12:58 Vision for the Future of Microbiome Research01:14:35 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Nov 28, 2024

1hr 22 min

In a conversation with Dr. James Kinross, a senior lecturer and consultant surgeon at Imperial College London, various aspects of the human microbiome are explored. He is also the author of "Dark Matter: The New Science of the Microbiome".
Dr. Kinross discusses what constitutes a healthy microbiome and the challenges in analyzing it. The conversation also covers new research linking microbiomes to the effectiveness of cancer drugs, the concept of an 'internal climate crisis' within our guts, and the importance of the early life microbiome. Furthermore, Dr. Kinross shares practical advice on diet, probiotics, and the impact of social interactions on gut health.
The dialogue concludes with insights into microbiome testing and its crucial role in both clinical settings and personal health management.
Key Takeaways:
Microbiome Complexity: The microbiome is like a newly discovered organ, vital for health but complex to define and influence. Understanding it is crucial for advancing medical science.
Diet and Diversity: A diverse diet rich in plant fibres supports a flourishing microbiome, which can protect against chronic diseases.
Targeted Therapies: Probiotics and microbial therapies hold promise but require more precise application and understanding to be truly effective.
Prevention Focus: The most significant potential of microbiome science lies in disease prevention, particularly through early-life interventions.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Dr. James Kinross and His Work
00:27 Exploring the Microbiome: Definitions and Challenges
00:46 Microbiome and Cancer Research
00:54 Analogies and Concepts in Microbiome Science
01:56 The Dog Microbiome: Insights and Comparisons
07:17 Microbiome Bubble: Hype or Reality?
12:09 The Importance of Microbial Conservationism
20:52 Antibiotics and Microbiome Scarring
28:00 Co-Evolution of Microbes and Humans
37:33 Practical Advice for Improving Your Microbiome
41:07 Understanding Biodiversity and Microbiome Health
41:48 Defining a Healthy Microbiome
42:28 Challenges in Microbiome Diagnostics
46:03 The Role of Diet and Antibiotics
51:51 The Controversy of Probiotics
58:08 Microbiome Testing in Clinical Practice
01:06:31 Microbiome's Impact on Drug Efficacy
01:11:14 Future of Microbiome Therapeutics
01:15:04 Practical Advice and Final Thoughts

Nov 7, 2024

1hr 15 min

In this episode of Inside Matters, Dr. James McIlroy is joined by Professor Anthony Hobson, founder and CEO of the Functional Gut Clinic.
They discuss gut health diagnostics and treatments, focusing on the evolution of gut health understanding and therapies. Key topics include microbiome diagnostic testing, the importance of understanding gut functions, the impact of lifestyle on gut health, and the efficacy of various treatments for conditions like IBS and SIBO. The conversation also covers the development of non-invasive testing methods, the role of the second brain in gut health, and future directions for the Functional Gut Clinic and the field of digestive health.
 
Takeaways
Gut health is the interface between the body and the outside world.
Understanding gut functionality is crucial for effective treatment.
Education on gut health is lacking in traditional medical training.
IBS is often misdiagnosed as a lifelong condition when it can be treated.
The brain and gut communicate closely, affecting sensitivity and pain.
Breathing techniques and hypnotherapy can significantly aid gut health.
Placebo effects are powerful in treating gut-related issues.
Functional Gut Clinic has evolved to offer a range of services.
Tummy MOT aims to educate consumers on effective gut health products.
Diet and lifestyle are fundamental to maintaining good gut health. The leaky gut is not as common as is often believed.
There are actionable treatments for leaky gut, including glutamine.
Moderate alcohol consumption can be beneficial for gut health.
The proximal colon plays a crucial role in digestion and gut health.
Understanding gut function is key to effective treatment.
FMT has shown promising results in certain patient populations.
The microbiome's diversity is essential for gut health.
IBS may not be a lifelong condition and can be treated effectively.
Dietary changes should focus on moderation rather than restriction.
A comprehensive approach to gut health is necessary for long-term wellness.
 
 
00:00 Introduction to Professor Anthony Hobson and the Functional Gut Clinic
00:54 The Importance of Gut Health and Functional Testing
01:23 Building the Functional Gut Clinic and TummyMOT Initiative
02:03 Listener Engagement and Podcast Support
02:40 Defining Gut Health and Its Importance
04:05 Challenges in Gut Health Diagnosis and Treatment
09:32 The Brain-Gut Connection and Sensitisation Studies
13:06 The Role of Breathing Techniques and Hypnotherapy
17:57 Debunking Myths and Raising Standards in Gut Health
27:23 Fundamentals of Maintaining Good Gut Health
35:34 Understanding the Migrating Motor Complex
36:36 Spacing Out Meals for Gut Health
37:27 The Role of Coffee in Digestion
37:58 Exploring Leaky Gut Syndrome
44:18 Alcohol and Gut Health
48:41 The Fascinating Proximal Colon
01:04:29 Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO)
01:13:24 Future of Digestive Health and Functional Gut Clinic

Oct 3, 2024

1hr 3 min

In this conversation, Dr James McIlroy and Emma Storey-Gordon discuss common myths and misconceptions surrounding health, fitness, and nutrition.
They explore the law of diminishing returns in exercise, the latest science in nutrition including fasting and protein consumption, and the importance of meal timing and insulin sensitivity.
Emma shares practical advice on setting nutrition targets, the gradual increase of fibre intake for gut health, and the role of supplements. They also touch on the individualized approach needed for training during menopause and the importance of community in building a successful health and fitness business.
Takeaways
Just do something, just move.The law of diminishing returns applies to exercise.Meal timing can impact insulin sensitivity.Setting realistic nutrition targets is crucial.Gradually increase fibre intake to avoid discomfort.Personalized nutrition is often marketed but not always practical.Exercise has profound effects on mental health.Community and environment play a key role in business success.You need to treat individuals as unique cases in health.Start slow but keep it engaging to avoid boredom.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Health Myths and Misconceptions03:01 The Law of Diminishing Returns in Exercise05:56 Nutrition Science: Fasting and Protein Consumption09:08 The Importance of Meal Timing and Insulin Sensitivity11:58 Practical Nutrition: Setting Targets for Protein and Veggies14:52 Gut Health: Building Up Fiber Intake Gradually17:52 The Role of Supplements and Personalized Nutrition20:59 The Impact of Exercise on Mental and Physical Health23:44 Menopause: Individualized Approaches to Training27:01 Building a Business in Health and Fitness29:53 The Importance of Community and Environment in Business32:47 Final Thoughts on Health, Nutrition, and Business
 

Jul 11, 2024

1hr 4 min

The following is a conversation with Dr. Momo Vuyisich, co-founder and chief scientific officer at Viome. Viome is a life sciences company that analyses the activities in your oral microbiome, gut microbiome, and blood using RNA, essentially measuring gene expression.
This gives the company the ability to be able to assess what the microbiome in these various areas of the body is doing and gives insights into potentially how that links to diseases, which gives you personalised recommendations for how to improve your microbiomes through your environment. So basically your diet.
Their vision is that in the future, through the analysis of all of this data, they're able to make predictive bets on who is at higher risk of developing particular diseases and issues due to the composition and function of the microbiome.
Momo is an amazing communicator. You'll learn about. the microbiome and its importance in gut health. You'll hear about his own story in terms of how he managed to cure chronic disease through his own diet. You'll hear about his vision for Viome, how the pharma industry works in his opinion, and how things are going to improve over the coming decades.
Fascinating discussion, I enjoyed it. I wanted to thank Momo for coming on as such a busy person. Now, with the introduction done, I wanted to say thank you to all of our listeners for supporting the podcast. Some of you are listening to every single episode and sending feedback about the episode, what you liked, what you didn't like, and what you learned.
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00:00:00 Intro
00:05:27 Momo’s vision
00:08:08 Is science improving human health?
00:15:58 Applying science to big health problems
00:18:11 Human genome
00:27:46 Vaccines with probiotics?
00:36:27 Is the microbiome undervalued?
00:45:59 Next gen RNA sequencing
00:52:37 Building Viome
00:58:34 Preventing all disease through diet
01:00:41 Sialic acids
01:11:16 Food industry
01:14:24 Importance of sleep

Jun 20, 2024

1hr 28 min

The following is a conversation with Professor Jack Gilbert, a professor at the University of California, San Diego, along with his many other very interesting titles and job roles. This includes the co-founder of the Earth Microbiome Project, the American Gut Project, and also featured in the very popular recent Netflix documentary, Hack Your Health.
He is a master of the microbiome. We covered all aspects of the microbiome, the ocean, the soil, how it could impact climate change, and gut health, responses to drugs.
Takeaways
The microbiome has a significant impact on various aspects of our health, including gut health, responses to drugs, and even climate change.
A diverse and healthy diet, with a focus on consuming a variety of plants, is crucial for promoting a beneficial microbiome.
Understanding the dynamic nature of the microbiome and its mechanisms is essential for developing effective therapies.
Changing behaviours and promoting adherence to therapies and dietary recommendations can be challenging, but finding solutions that align with our culture can help overcome these barriers. Probiotics and the microbiome have the potential to improve human health and address environmental challenges.
Quantifying the microbiome is crucial for understanding its role in health and disease.
Urgent action is needed to address climate change, and microbiology can play a role in improving soil health and mitigating its effects.
The gut-brain axis is an important area of research, and microbiome-based therapies show promise for mental health.
00:00 Introduction to Professor Jack Gilbert and his work
02:20 The impact of the microbiome on climate change
04:16 The role of diet in promoting a beneficial microbiome
07:03 Precision ecology: Understanding the dynamic nature of the microbiome
09:23 Challenges and solutions in promoting behaviour change for microbiome health
17:52 The importance of time in studying the microbiome
30:08 Parallels and commonalities between different microbiomes
39:19 The future of microbiome research and therapies
44:59 Probiotic Building Materials
48:33 Revolutionizing Microbiome Sample Collection
56:55 Microbiome-Based Therapies for IVF Success
01:09:29 Addressing Climate Change through Microbiology
01:19:21 Urgent Action and Application of Microbial Therapies
01:23:01 The Gut-Brain Axis and Mental Health

Jun 6, 2024

1hr 20 min

Learn more about this episode's guest and the topics discussed - https://insidematters.health/
In this conversation, Dr James McIlroy and Mads Friis discuss the fundamentals of health and wellness. They cover topics such as mindset, sleep, diet, alcohol, and the importance of social relationships.
Mads emphasizes the importance of eating real food, including fruits, vegetables, and berries. He also highlights the significance of getting enough protein and staying hydrated. While alcohol can be enjoyed in moderation, it is not recommended for optimal sleep quality.
The conversation emphasizes the need to focus on the fundamentals of health before diving into more advanced biohacking techniques. In this conversation, Mads discusses the importance of sleep and the limitations of sleep trackers. He emphasizes the need for balance in biohacking and the importance of focusing on the fundamentals of health. He also criticizes the food industry and the misinformation surrounding nutrition.
Mads shares his insights on movement, light exposure, and the benefits of cold water immersion, sauna, and breathwork. He concludes by discussing his book on habits and his future plans in the biohacking space.
Takeaways
Focus on the fundamentals of health, including mindset, sleep, diet, exercise, social relationships, and hydration.
Eat real food that your grand grandma would recognise as food.
Ensure you are getting enough protein to support your body's needs.
Moderate alcohol consumption and be mindful of its impact on sleep quality.
Prioritize social connections and relationships for overall well-being.
Start with the basics before diving into advanced biohacking techniques. Sleep trackers may not provide accurate information about sleep stages, and focusing too much on sleep data can lead to unnecessary stress.
Biohacking should be approached with balance and not become an obsession. It's important to focus on the fundamentals of health, such as movement, light exposure, and proper nutrition.
The food industry plays a significant role in the current health crisis, and there is a need for more education and awareness about healthy eating.
Cold water immersion, sauna, and breathwork can have various health benefits, but it's important to find the right balance and not overdo it.
Mads has written a book on habits and plans to explore other topics in the future, such as sleep, biohacking, and longevity
 
Timecodes:
Introduction to Mads Friis and his journey
02:29 The State of Health and Wellness
04:28 The Fundamentals of Health: Mindset, Sleep, Diet, Movement, Social Relationships
07:50 Mads Friis' Journey and Entrepreneurship
09:47 The Importance of Getting the Fundamentals Right
14:16 Cutting-Edge Biohacking and Individual Differences
20:05 The Role of Diet: Eating Real Food and Protein Intake
25:24 The Controversy of Alcohol and the Importance of Hydration
32:05 The Impact of Alcohol on Sleep Quality
36:29 Mindset and Enjoyment of Healthy Choices
39:45 The Limitations of Sleep Trackers
42:04 The Importance of Balance in Biohacking
44:15 The Fundamentals of Health
46:26 Exploring Cold Water Immersion, Sauna, and Breathwork
48:01 The Role of Supplements and the Food Industry
53:42 The Benefits of Movement and Light Exposure
55:53 Finding the Right Balance in Biohacking
58:19 The Influence of the Food Industry
01:08:38 Exploring Hyperbaric Oxygen Chambers and Other Biohacks
01:15:42 Mads's Book on Habits and Future Plans
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May 23, 2024

1hr 27 min

The following is a conversation with Dr. Jenna Macciochi, an immunologist, twice-published author, TEDx speaker, public speaker, and all-around immune system expert. 
It was an absolute pleasure and honour to have her in the studio today to talk about all things immune system. gut health, the microbiome, and even things like how do we improve the health of society more generally. Jenna truly is an expert. She's amazing at communicating and breaking down complicated concepts so that they're easy to understand for the listener.
I learned an absolute ton over the course of this conversation and I'm sure you will too. If you have an interest in the immune system, why you catch a cold, what you can do to maybe prevent you from getting a cold, how to keep your immune system in top shape, how it changes as you age, and just more generally how to live a longer, healthier, happier life, you're going to get something out of today's conversation.
 
Timecodes:
 
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:55 Interest in the immune system
00:05:04 Science of staying well
00:09:08 Avoiding burn out
00:16:45 Immune system components
00:20:41 “I never get sick”
00:24:50 Not catching a cold
00:35:15 What’s important for immune system
00:43:36 Immune system age
00:49:05 Taking supplements
00:51:03 How important is sleep?
01:00:18 Strong immune system in children
01:03:09 Stress and the immune system
01:05:01 Social media misconceptions
01:14:21 Importance of making food
01:18:07 Link between microbiome and immune health
01:22:28 Helping children eat healthily

May 9, 2024

57 min

The following is a conversation with Dr Saman Maleki, associate professor at Western University with a special focus on oncology, immuno oncology, microbiology, and everything to do with the immune system and the microbiome.
Dr Maleki is a pioneer and a world leader in the field of sensitising tumours to immunotherapy through modulating the microbiome.
During this conversation, we talked about the state of the art associated with the microbiome and cancer. So if you're interested in how cancer impacts the microbiome and how the microbiome impacts cancer you should listen to this episode. We delved into what the latest evidence is for the use of FMT in making a particular type of cancer therapy called immunotherapy better for treating particular cancers.
We talked about the journey from doing the first trials to the area where they are now, which is raising funds to do much larger trials that should definitively prove that changing the microbiome can massively improve response rates to cancer therapies.
Even as someone who's got their finger on the pulse of this field, I left the conversation enthusiastic and excited about the potential in the future for developing efficient microbiome treatments to tackle cancer.
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:38 First interest in the microbiome
00:05:46 FMT for C-Diff patients
00:09:11 Using the immune system to treat cancer
00:19:03 Microbiome research for oncology
00:23:46 Journey from first study
00:27:30 Stimulating immune system with FMT
00:39:09 Chemotherapy, pancreatic cancer and the microbiome
00:48:29 Novel cell therapy and chemotherapy
00:49:02 Future of immunotherapy
00:52:32 Immune therapy response in cancer treatment
00:55:41 Antibiotics and cancer treatment

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